Happy 2012 from Thailand

December 27, 2011

I would like to wish all my readers (we just passed the 30,000 hit mark) a happy holiday season and a much better 2012 . I hope that your retirement plans are coming to fruition and that you will be happy wherever you end up.

The year 2011 will long be remembered here in Thailand as the year of the “Great Flood”. In fact, there are still some wet areas even in this last week of the year. And the next rainy season is only a few months away. Will 2012 be another wet one? Let’s hope for the best.

One thing that happens when you retire abroad is that you will usually be far away from loved ones. And at this time of year that can be hard on some. We dealt with it this year by having a nice Christmas Eve dinner at our house with some of our closest friends. Then on Christmas we got a Skype call from our son in Afghanistan and as we were talking our other son called from Phuket. So the whole family was together on Christmas for the first time in many years. Later we got a Skype call from our daughter-in-law in Washington and saw our two grandchildren.

Being away at this time can be hard, but technology has taken the edge off. Blessed be the person(s) who invented Skype. May they live a long and happy life and may Skype forever remain free.

Here are some Questions that our blog readers have sent in during 2011, and my attempts at trying to supply them with an answer.

Q:        I found your website very informative. We are thinking about retiring in Thailand (Nakhon Pathom) in 2 – 3 years.

As the $ keeps going down and the Thai baht keeps getting stronger every day, I’m wondering if we should start putting some money into a Thai bank account before it’s 25 baht per dollar.

What is your take on this? Is it advisable?

A:       I never give financial advice – especially considering the state of my own affairs. And when it comes to exchange rates even the experts don’t know what they are talking about. I can only tell you that anything might happen in 2 -3 years and I know that I would want my money as liquid as possible and somewhere I could get my hands on it. You being outside of Thailand, and your money being inside of Thailand would not make for good liquidity or easy access.  Sure the baht might be 25 to the dollar, or it might be 49 to the dollar – I have seen both ends of the spectrum.  And I am not smart enough to know what the baht will be in 2 – 3 days let alone 2 -3 years.

Long story short, when in doubt, I usually decide to not make any decisions.

Q:        First, I want to thank you for your always interesting, informative blogs. – My Thai wife and I have been living in the USA since we married 18 years ago, but plan to move permanently to Thailand within the next couple of years – to either หัวหิน (Hua Hin) or เชียงใหม่ (Chiang Mai). So, I have two requests:

1. Please compare and contrast the two places we are considering for our home

2. Please give more details about your newly built house, size, total cost, etc. (See Why and How We Built a House in Thailand ). We plan to rent initially, but may consider building later.

A:        1. Good luck on your retirement plans. I haven’t been to Hua Hin in many years. But a good friend is moving there soon so we will be visiting. It is a nice seaside resort area but prices there may be a bit higher because of that. I hear that it has grown from a sleepy village, what I remember, into a bustling place full of Expats. Chiang Mai is a large town but still has retained its charm. In the cool season CM is much colder but it is probably hotter in the hot season. Hua Hin being in the south will probably have more rain and a longer rainy season.

For more info check out this page from my website.

My advice is to take some time, visit both places for as long as you can to get a feel of what it would be like to live here.

2. The house we built is about 82 sq meters (that’s how the insides of houses are measured here). Quite small for a family but for a single retiree or a couple it would be really nice – especially if they only live there part of the year – which many retirees do. We probably could have built it for 2/3 of what we did but we wanted a nice place to rent out, attractive and a place that would last for a long time. So we went with stronger building materials.

For building cost, I have heard estimates of between 8,500 baht – 15,000 baht per square foot depending on quality of materials and how much your contractor is taking off the top. Our costs were closer to the smaller amount.

But… It is not necessary to build. Renting is always a good option. Of course if you have lots and lots of money then who cares, right? But if you live off of a fixed income you are probably better off renting and not locking up your money in Thai real estate.   You’ll thank me for that advice later I guarantee.

P.S. Both my children are Thai citizens being born here. They also hold U.S. citizenship. Any real estate that we have will go to them when we go off to our next existences. So we feel OK about having money locked up in Real estate here as we know that we will be able to leave it to them.

Q:        Two things that I can’t find good answers for;

1. The best way to get my monthly checks forwarded to me in Thailand.

2. It seems Thailand does not want Americans as permanent residents. Constantly having to renew visas or leaving the country for a visa run is not a good thing.

A:        1. The only bank I know that will take an automatic deposit from a foreign bank is Bangkok Bank, and not every branch. Go to the largest branch in town and see what they say. What I do is get automatic deposits into my U.S. bank and then twice a year I write checks on that account and deposit them into my Thai bank. Not slick, but it works.

2. If you were a foreigner and wanted to live in the U.S. permanently how do you think Immigration would treat you? Lots worse than you are treated here. I find the regulations here a little bit of a bother but not enough the bend me out of shape. I just bring a good book (now it’s my Android Tablet) to read when I go to Thai Immigration. I’m retired, I have lots of time.

Another reader added the following:

In answer to the best way to automatically transfer funds from US to Thailand:

– Open a Direct Deposit savings account with any branch of Bangkok Bank in Thailand that will open one.

– Have your payor in the US make a direct deposit into the New York City branch of Bangkok Bank, ABA routing Number: 026008691, referencing your Bkk Bank, Thailand, Account number. New York will then get the deposit credited to your Thailand account within 1 business day. You will receive SMS message on your mobile phone when funds are available in your account. Go to any branch of Bangkok Bank with your savings passbook and passport to access the funds.

Q:        Thanks for the update. Are there any fees for this banking service?

A:        I believe there is about a $5.00 charge on the New York end. Hard to tell exact cost because of the exchange rates, but cheaper, quicker and safer than any other method I have found.

Only downside is you must personally show up at a branch to get or transfer the money. No internet or ATM or sending your wife. However, once when I was in the hospital my wife took a letter from the hospital to the branch which established the account and got the money.

Hugh’s note: Can’t do anything about the exchange rate except maybe making the U.S. stop printing money. My checks twice a year are charged $20 each and take 6 weeks to clear. Really it takes about 2 days to clear out of my U.S. account and the rest of the time to finally appear in my Thai bank account. Everyone should find what works best for you.

Q:        I have read that Chiang Mai being a basin surrounded by mountains, the fog and other pollutants do not get easily blown away, and it hangs around forever. Also that such an environment is very bad for people with Asthma and other lung diseases – records show that incidence of these diseases are increasing every year by leaps and bounds !!

So the question is…Is there any place within the outskirts of Chiang Mai, may be 10 to 20 miles away, that can be called pollution free. And how convenient, and safe, will it be to live in such areas ? Considering that I do not need any great entertainment or crowded markets nearby to make me happy… All that I need is a hospital within about 30 minutes drive.

A:        The short answer to your question about pollution free areas is No. The problem goes all the way from Burma to Laos to central Thailand. Interestingly enough, this year (and mostly last year) we haven’t really experienced a serious pollution problem. Here is a website where you can follow the air quality .

My advice, come here in March – May and see for yourself.

Also, there are some really good hospitals in Chiang Mai

Also, I personally would not live 10 – 20 miles away from Chiang Mai, You would be either in the Jungle or way out in the countryside. Try it for a week. I know I would go bonkers.

Take a test drive of life in Thailand and see what you think before coming here permanently.

6 Responses to “Happy 2012 from Thailand”

  1. derek said

    Just returned from Hua Hin…December 14th…Hua Hin does not receive much rainfall…talk in the pubs say water is at low pressure due to the infusion of falangs moving there…we bought in Pranburi, near paved government road, in a sort of enclave of a Canadian, whose wife owned the adjoining land, Irish, Scot and another American. My intent is to retire in 6 years.

  2. jenniferp1234 said

    I haven’t yet retired in Thailand as you have, but I imagine that I’m headed down that road. Thailand is a great place to live. I’ve been here for nearly five years, working, living, traveling, and enjoying every moment. I’ve met many Western retirees here. They claim they’ve chosen Thailand for the following reasons, among others: a high standard of living for relatively cheap; friendliness of Thai people; legal services available for marrying Thai citizens and expertise of Thailand divorce lawyers; proximity to other interesting countries; opportunities for foreign investment; and exciting nightlife and expat communities. Thailand has big cities like Bangkok, smaller towns like Kanchanaburi, or beach towns like Pattaya to choose from. There really is something and somewhere for everyone in Thailand. I hope people continue to recognize it as a great destination despite the political turmoil and floods that have affected the country in the recent years.

  3. Jennifer and my readers,

    The above comment is a tricky way some people have of plugging a product or business (divorce lawyers). Shame on you Jennifer.

    But I will forgive. and in fact I will leave the plug (unendorsed by me). I like to give my readers as much info as possible and I probably would have used the link if you had asked me nicely. You should write your own blog. But thanks for the other nice things you said about Thailand.

    In fact, “marriage and divorce in Thailand” might be an interesting topic for a future post. I have been married to a Thai for more than 40 years so I know at least one side of the story.

  4. malcolm said

    Hello Hugh, Malcolm here, My wife Ciejay and me, live in Wang Pho (Sai Yok) and have a blog called Retired in Thailand and Loving it http://malcolmandciejay.blogspot.com
    I would like to add you to blogs I follow and was wondering if you would do the same for me , we’ve lived here since 2004 , we visited and bought our home , and old one and remodeled , in 2002 and we live here year round . Really enjoyed your blog and read a few of the older post ,will read more later , take a look at my blog and see if this is a blog you can recommend to your readers.I like your’s and have no problem posting your’s on my side bar . thanks Malcolm

  5. Reeves said

    I think one problem with retiring in Thailand is the cost of living is far higher than it was when I moved here over a decade ago., and many retirees who think they can live here on less than $1,000 a month find they can’t.

    That’s only going to get worse as, once the Arab body moves how oil is calculated from dollars to a combination of the yuan and their currencies (new news this week), the dollar will fall even more. So for Americans retiring here, that will mean they must have even more money.

    Something to think about.

    • Reeves,

      Agreed. $1,000 a month is “doable” but not the lifestyle that I would want. But $1,000 a month in the U.S. is basically not “doable”. So if that is all you got then what would you choose?

      As to things getting more expensive, there is a Buddhist concept that most Thais believe (and seems pretty true to me too). In Thai it is อนิจจัง “ani-chang” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impermanence). All things are “impermanent” and will change. Best to be prepared for it.

      As to oil getting more expensive, I currently have a car and a motorcycle. The car uses more than 4,000 baht a month in gas, the motorcycle less than 100 baht. Guess which one I will be using when oil goes through the roof.

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